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 DanBennett
USER: DANOMANUK
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 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:51 Post subject: |
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| Medic wrote: | | DanomanUK wrote: | | This is a public server, not a war server. |
Exactly, that's why winning at any cost (as you stated) does not apply here. The point of a public server (at least i4Games public servers) is for everyone to have fun. A game that ends at 8-0 with a major advantage for the winning team is not what I'd call an enjoyable game for everyone. |
Yes ofcorse, And obviously theres an error in the team setup - But you can't control that when they are created randomly.
Maybe teams can be selected based on rankings on average since their time at i4games might help, but I can't see that happening tbh.
| Medic wrote: | | The idea of dancebith would ensure that the speed relic does not create any drastic advantage for one team. There's been many situations where it would give an unfair advantage. When you play with fair players, it can be OK. But that is far from being always the case. |
Indeed, and thats why I say its good for lower than 3v3.
It's rare that teams become 4v2, for example - as many people shout "TEAMS" and it gets resolved easy.
Yes there are ways that speed can be unfair to the other team, But if the relics are there as an advantage to that player or team, I can't see it being good to limit that when there is more than a 3v3 game. 
| Medic wrote: | | And as a general note to you all, I think we all can make points without flaming each other. |
Indeed Hence why I'm not flaming 
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 Am_A_Bitch
USER: DANCEBITCH
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:08 Post subject: |
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medic i see i have your attension about the relics.
i think we should not have the speed relic as that gives the team an advantage,in all cases
the bomb relic is great if used correctly,to aid the team,
as is the boost relic,but may i just add to the boost relic.
with the boost relic,when a player has it he or she can only boost aponants out of there way and not kill them
think if its a big map and u can see the flag carrier,u shoot him and he will either die,getting blown into some obstical or
when your team have the flag boosting players out of the way.
i no i have brought this up before,but think of the fun u will have,wathing opomamts trying to shoot straight.
in space maps it would be funny watching oponants fly out into space giving your team more time to grab the flag.
i hope we could try at least
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DanBennett
USER: DANOMANUK
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:12 Post subject: |
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| DANCEBITCH wrote: | i think we should not have the speed relic as that gives the team an advantage,in all cases
the bomb relic is great if used correctly,to aid the team,
as is the boost relic, |
WHAT?
You say its fine to have the vengance relic, because it aids the team, Yet Speed relic should be removed total because it aids the team?
Giving a team advantage = aiding the team.
One player having a speed relic really isn't all that bad. Just have better aim.
I still think 3v3 or lower then your case is perfect. Anything higher than 3v3 then the relic should be there no matter what.
The relics are a massive part of i4games and should NOT be removed.
Also, there is a hell lot more to iCTF than just shooting each other.
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[i4g]Vainkeygirl
USER: VAINKEYGIRL
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:20 Post subject: |
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dance you have brought this specific subject up TOO many times, and all the other times we gave you the same answers. Agreed with Dan that the relics are a crucial part of what makes i4g special.
Removing relics completely would be removing a core product of the ictf servers from i4g. What you can consider ( and i think we mentioned this before too) That a speedrelic shouldn't be around when the game includes 6 players or less. Or should not be included when teams are uneven 5vs6 for instance. That's something that can be talked about.
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DanBennett
USER: DANOMANUK
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:23 Post subject: |
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| Vainkeygirl wrote: | | Or should not be included when teams are uneven 5vs6 for instance. |
And the reason why I'm against that is the team with 5 players can easily get speed, and even if the team with 6 players get speed the other 5 of the other team can piss easily kill someone with speed.
Thats why I sayd 3v3 or less. More than that and the fairness isn't really unbalanced much.
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DanBennett
USER: DANOMANUK
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:24 Post subject: |
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Regarding the boost relic - As i've mentioned before it should be the other way round.
If you pick the relic up, YOU can be boosted further - Not YOU can boost others further.
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Am_A_Bitch
USER: DANCEBITCH
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:25 Post subject: |
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yes u r right but....when u have speed,it dosent aid your team,it aids the player who has it,as the bomb relic aids your team by either,blowing everyone up to make room for the flag carrier or clearing your base with a boom.
the same could be said about the boost relic, that does aid your team aswell
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[i4g]Vainkeygirl
USER: VAINKEYGIRL
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:26 Post subject: |
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unbalancing is easily fixed when someone of the opponent switches to the other team to balance.
(What bothers me the most with the speedrelic is in such situation is that when someone of the stronger team gets the speedrelic they most of the time don't think hmmm let's not cap with speed and they make 2 caps or more in a row because of this huge advantage)
I can live with just the fact that a speedrelic isn't around when there are 6 players or less in the server.
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DanBennett
USER: DANOMANUK
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:31 Post subject: |
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| DANCEBITCH wrote: | | yes u r right but....when u have speed,it dosent aid your team,it aids the player who has it, |
Wrong, It does aid your team.
Yes, People who have the speed relic try to make a speedy jump into the other base to get the flag - Thats the hoffing point.
If your 3-4 down in the score, you need that vital 1 or 2 caps. If you have the speed relic and you make these 2 caps then well hoffing done you have aided your team brilliantly.
Also, if you drop the flag in your base when you do get shot, you can still easily cap if someone else is around you.
Your team also will knowyou have the speed relic and will be ready to help you out when you have grabbed the flag to get you that speedy return to base that is needed.
3v3 or lower then yes, Relic disappears. After that it stays with no limits.
You cant limit the speed relic because another team is weaker.
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Am_A_Bitch
USER: DANCEBITCH
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:38 Post subject: |
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| Vainkeygirl wrote: |
I can live with just the fact that a speedrelic isn't around when there are 6 players or less in the server. |
well i agree with vainlkey Hmmmm:p
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DanBennett
USER: DANOMANUK
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:51 Post subject: |
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| DANCEBITCH wrote: | | Vainkeygirl wrote: |
I can live with just the fact that a speedrelic isn't around when there are 6 players or less in the server. |
well i agree with vainlkey Hmmmm:p |
6 players or less
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3v3 or less
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[i4g]Vainkeygirl
USER: VAINKEYGIRL
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:55 Post subject: |
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my explanation is easier to understand  ^^ 
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Am_A_Bitch
USER: DANCEBITCH
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 15:58 Post subject: |
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vankey :p
thought u meant six a side,but hey anything is better than what danoman said yeaterday,he snubed the idea
3 v 3 or if teams r uneven,that would do the job
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DanBennett
USER: DANOMANUK
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:04 Post subject: |
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How is mine not easy to understand when i've covered it deeply?
My idea is to make it fair for EVERYONE and EVERYONES gameplay as much as possible, Not for just YOUR gameplay if you cant shoot someone with speed.
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Am_A_Bitch
USER: DANCEBITCH
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 16:16 Post subject: |
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| DanomanUK wrote: | This gets on my titis about the relic.
The relics are there to be used, I don't see how just because there arnt more than 4 people in the server that you shouldnt use a relic.
If you can't shoot someone with speed then try harder.
Ok yeah maybe they can be a tiny bit fair and don't constantly use it thruout the whole game but if its there to be used then use it I say. |
^^^^^^a turn around^^^^^^^^^
do i have to explain myself to u danoman
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