Is NewNet a real possibility for BT?

PatriK.pX3

Hi !

I've heard about this.. mod? add on? mutator? idk what is it, but what i know is that this program is very useful for players with high ping, including a successful gameplay in all sense possible

Is it possible a NewNet for BT mod? i also heard that ppl was working already on a BT version, nothing sure, i just read comments

I want to ask that if that works fine, is there a REAL possibility to use this program in BT community? will this affect regular players (who don't need this) somehow?

That will make BT (at least for ppl who will really appreciate this) more enjoyable and not so frustrating, and will let US cap some impossible maps with high ping such as TheLostJournalCB or Flagrant! LOL

LoSaH · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 07:28 Post subject:

It should work out but I thought they still need to fix the bouncers and lifts as this wasn't working properly in the past.

However, I don't think they will take a look at this directly as it hasn't any priority for them now at the moment. The only thing they want now is to run/have decent tournaments (KOTR/Global iCTF) and an active pug community running on a more or less bugfree NN version.
Hopefully they will take a look at it for us to fix those small minor bugs, but since our community is that small I doubt they will take a look into it.

And for myself, I'm still a bit skeptic about the whole NN stuff as for me it's still very buggy making my UT randomly crashing etc...

p-a-w-e-l · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 09:22 Post subject:

Sounds like an interesting stuff.
First time I'm hearing about this so no idea how will it turn out ( if ever ).

fierd_1 · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 18:14 Post subject:

I've been trying with fierd_0 to get this implemented for BT before, and it has been tried but there are just too many variables and techniques in BT to implement it well. In iCTF you have dodging + shooting which needs to be recoded correctly and that on it's own took over a year to get to the stage it is now.

BT has buttons, movers, lift jumps, bouncing, shooting, dodging, falls etc etc. It's just too physically hard and would take far too long to recode all of these things especially to make it stable.

I don't ever see it happening.

[AcAi].Fuer$ · Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 17:57 Post subject:

maybe TimTim will look into it if u kindly ask him (the creator of newnet). but even if it happens it wont be made public. only a leaked outdated version like the ictf scene got was made public. Paco wants that everyone plays on GU.

There were some rumors that maybe after official realise (now is still in beta) it will be realised for everyone. (now is 0.7x if i am not wrong so half a year +/- till the realise.

btw newnet (nn) runs for normal weapons kinda good too. Smile

LoSaH · Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 14:22 Post subject:

It will never happen as the folks @ GU are a bunch of retards, sorry for the bad word()s that will follow, but can't really say something positive about that scene. Many whiners, flamers, people just shit on each other 24/7.

Newnet is a good thing for people from the USA in general, but for me it destroys my whole experience just like zp did a decade ago. Nowadays everyone hits 35+ acc, which is one big joke. You can just aim a meter above his head and you will hit him. That's my personal experience, the more I aim on the person, the less I hit.

And there you say it Fuers, they won't made it public and there it ends. Admins over there are corrupt, troll around 24/7 with 1337 bans, and a forum/site which is useless like now, with the new season of iCTF, all reports are in one topic.
No, this is maybe the most shittiest organisation I have ever seen. You have also played @ cluex.org Fuers, and that one person realized more than all those incompetent admins/people/staff w/e together @ GU.

NN for BT is just too late. This should have happened in 2007, not in 2013 with only a small amount of active competitive players. There's no point for TimTim to edit it for our scene. It will cost him too much time, time he doesn't has at the moment.

zPoOonS · Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 16:12 Post subject:

Hello Losah,

I would like to reply to a couple of your comments in this thread.

I wondered why you consider the folks at GU "retards" when the majority of people who help out and admin spend a lot of their free time and money just trying to keep a nice game alive and provide a platform for people to play this game still =]

Of what "corruption" do you speak? "troll around" now cmon you can't be new to the internet? theres always going to be some people who enjoy poking fun and annoying others thats nothing new in any "community" And people whining about things is nothing new either, You can never please everybody hey?

While the organisation is not always 100% and the website is still a work in progress, The people behind it are always keen to improve upgrade and further develop the whole globalunreal name website and pickup game channel, I think its kind of harsh to label everyone there retards useless and all together terrible when all it is, Is a group of people wasting their own time to try and run something for everybody else, Also would like to point out we've ran 3 (4th ongoing) successful and very competitive iCTF leagues, 2 100 man idm tournaments(finished start to finish 5hrs) a 40 man tournament.. a very enjoyable fun TeamLMS tournament and an sDOM league, we might not be perfect but we try very hard to cover all the bases and run a variety of fun tournaments for everybody to participate trying to offer new maps and as much variety as we can fit in.

As for newnet its self, There has been bugs with it but like you even stated its still being tweaked and fixed as it goes "shooting 1m above someones head" is quite the exaggeration, but if you would provide a demo with a timestamp or a clip of said incident im sure timtim would gladly take a look at it and offer an explanation. Everybody shooting 35acc+ is also not quite true although most of the top players do hit such accuracies regularly, but this cant be solely connected to newnet, Upgraded monitors mice etc help a lot in this department.
Also Tim has said multiple times that he will release newnet publicly when hes happy its finished.

LoSaH · Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 18:02 Post subject:

I was more speaking for the players Humpty not really pointing at admins. (of course some admins like to troll around with kicks/bans). I not perfect either as CB admin Smile

Anyway, I enjoyed both idm cups. Second one was better organized then first edition. Can't speak for sDOM as I missed that one this summer and current iCTF is well, dunno, didn't get selected again due to hilarious high ranking but my personal opinion, it's a bit off a fail with that trading stuff.

My comments might have been harsh but I have seen so many dirty talking around there I can't be bothered to join even a pug. I would want to play some, but the attitude of certain people I just rather stay away and play a pug on another channel where people are actually friendly Sad

I'm not new but things I have seen over there I have never seen before since 1999. Not in UT99 not the CS community. There a lack of respect by a lot of players. Or they are just attention whores...

About newnet itself for me it's one bug. Could be because I don't play it that often but still.... If I have time I can provide you some demo's where I just miss the player blatantly but according to newnet I killed him. I rember I shot the wall but I had a kill, and that not only one time.
Also, sometimes I got shot by an invisible player (prolly he just respawned in front of me but he's wasn't on my screen yet, I don't know, only happens in base). About that high acc, only new people or really shit people don't hit 30 acc but I have seen stats from players there who barely had 20 on cb recently but shoot 30 or more over there.

If you truly believe newnet will be ever made, good for you. But I personally doubt it. If he has the intention to make this a success, then he should always should upload a beta and not "leak" it. The more people who use it on their servers, the faster bugs can be fixed etc. That's my oponion.

I like the effort you guys do to keep UT online and let us play games with USA people, but for myself I rather stay away there until there a decent organisation without the troll bans/kicks and lame rules. And take yourself a bit more serious, now it's more one big troll league with a troll community. You can always have fun and joke around, but there should be a limit, and GU is lacking this currently.

Good luck with it, hopefully soon a more or less bugfree newnet and some other cups where EVERYONE can attend in and not only the super active players who play daily pugs Wink

Oh and, clean up your forum, it's one big mess. You should categorise it more instead of always separate topics for screenshots.

Take a look here: http://cluex.org/

Feel free to poke me on irc.

Good luck ^^

p-a-w-e-l · Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 20:28 Post subject:

My two cents: Solve your problem with yourself, not express on public as I don't see any point. Do your posts take impact on rest of i4g community? Confused

I don't think so.

THEINCREDIBLEPACO · Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 21:13 Post subject:

Hello, I am The Incredible PACO.

I run GlobalUnreal/#iPug and I am thrilled with the product. When you have hundreds of people coming through on a monthly basis, it is tough to please them all. Unfortunately LoSaH does not have the mental fortitude to survive in our community but perhaps he will change his mind after GlobalUnreal starts running Monster Hunt.

I recently tried newnet with BT and I could see it helping some maps but also breaking some maps. It is still very much a work in progress and while I would love for it to kick some life into BT, I don't see it happening in the near future.

Good day to all... Except LoSaH.

The Incredible PACO

fierd_1 · Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 01:49 Post subject:

LoSaH · Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 08:27 Post subject:

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