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| Nuclear Suicide |
| Lame - No I would Never Do It. |
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| Not Lame - Just another good and accepted tactic. |
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 Astaroth
USER: ASTAROTH
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 Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 09:25 Post subject: |
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Yep suicide is a way to come back 'home' too 
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 VTe
USER: VITAE
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 09:59 Post subject: |
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It's a way to drop your nicely taken enemy flag aswell 
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Astaroth
USER: ASTAROTH
Godlike!
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:05 Post subject: |
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Roooooooooooffffffffffffffffffflllllllllllll 
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 JPMendes
USER: JPMENDES
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| Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:46 Post subject: |
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| Vitae wrote: | | It's a way to drop your nicely taken enemy flag aswell |
RRRRROOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFLLLLLLMAAAOOOOOOO !!!
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 Kylamiis
USER: KYLAMIIS
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 19:06 Post subject: |
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| YouNG32 wrote: | Suicide with bomb is VERY LAME, and our rules say the same :
Do not spoil the fun
Repetitive (flag / lift) camping, assrunning, respawn killing, lift triggering, --->suicide commiting <<--- as well as spamming (taunt or text), ignoring a team-balancing request (5 vs 7 for instance) and anything
:!: http://www.i4games.eu/rules.php :!:
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Suiciding is defenetly NOT lame.
It is a tactical advantage, built in by the makers of the game, to be used when needed, even WITH RELIC.
IMHO the rules should be changed by adding word "repetitive" there in front all the pointed behaviours.
Last edited by Kylamiis on Tue Apr 20, 2004 19:59; edited 2 times in total
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 Lord-Kaasrasp
USER: LORD-KAASRASP
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 19:09 Post subject: |
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lol....... no comment.....
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 [i4g]Rainbow
USER: RAINBOW
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| Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2004 20:28 Post subject: |
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Look at a few posts by admins and trustees about the vengence Relic :-
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There are also no skills to hide in a place waiting for the easy frag... The vengeance is not supposed to be a l33t mutator, it's a fun mutator. That's all.
And for the tactics, here are 2 examples:
1. Emptying a mass-defended base (as boolean said)
2. Pushing the team FC away (funny and harder to do, so it requires some skills, except for some maps like lo-grav maps)
Also, if you kill someone with the vengeance, you'll try to hide as quick as possible behind a wall. So you'll train your reflexes and moves.  |
| boolean wrote: | | vengance is the only way to clear a base form a "mass defence" |
There are 2 ways to use Vengence :- Tacticly and lameing with it
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 parazyte
USER: PARAZYTE
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 13:05 Post subject: Nuclear Suicide - legal and good tactic
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Good post rainbow! It's good to see someone bringing up stuff from other threads that is gathering dust as we "speak". So I guess it's the end of discussion. It can be used to push the team FC (as quoted from Medic) and clear out defense, and I don't think I'm stretching it when I say clear out enemy flag hunters too. So if Medic says it's meant to be used this way I suppose it's legal even though the rules says something about suicides being illegal (I still don't understand that rule!? please help).
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 |3dV|-P/\NDoRR/\
USER: DESPERADO
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 19:50 Post subject: Re: Nuclear Suicide - legal and good tactic
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| parazyte wrote: | | Good post rainbow! It's good to see someone bringing up stuff from other threads that is gathering dust as we "speak". So I guess it's the end of discussion. It can be used to push the team FC (as quoted from Medic) and clear out defense, and I don't think I'm stretching it when I say clear out enemy flag hunters too. So if Medic says it's meant to be used this way I suppose it's legal even though the rules says something about suicides being illegal (I still don't understand that rule!? please help). |
don't think medic meant to do all this stuff with suiciding, you can also use the relic for that purpose without using the lame way...
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[i4g]Rainbow
USER: RAINBOW
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 20:31 Post subject: Re: Nuclear Suicide - legal and good tactic
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| SleepyDude wrote: | | parazyte wrote: | | Good post rainbow! It's good to see someone bringing up stuff from other threads that is gathering dust as we "speak". So I guess it's the end of discussion. It can be used to push the team FC (as quoted from Medic) and clear out defense, and I don't think I'm stretching it when I say clear out enemy flag hunters too. So if Medic says it's meant to be used this way I suppose it's legal even though the rules says something about suicides being illegal (I still don't understand that rule!? please help). |
don't think medic meant to do all this stuff with suiciding, you can also use the relic for that purpose without using the lame way... |
How can you do the following things without suiciding ?
1. Emptying a mass-defended base (as boolean said)
2. Pushing the team FC away (funny and harder to do, so it requires some skills, except for some maps like lo-grav maps)
But standing there with vengence waiting to get killed is useing it very lamely .
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|3dV|-P/\NDoRR/\
USER: DESPERADO
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Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2004 23:39 Post subject: Re: Nuclear Suicide - legal and good tactic
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| Rainbow wrote: |
How can you do the following things without suiciding ?
1. Emptying a mass-defended base (as boolean said)
2. Pushing the team FC away (funny and harder to do, so it requires some skills, except for some maps like lo-grav maps)
But standing there with vengence waiting to get killed is useing it very lamely . |
None said anything about standing arround.
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Just run into the a mass-defended base with the relic and be sure that you got hit soon. If you got some skill you can try to move into the bunch of enemys before it happens.
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Just defend your FC the normal way - (e.g. on DDay, running backwards behind him) and try to get rid of the following enemys. If you make well they get angry and want see you dead (if not you r exploding instantly anyway)....thats it.
If you got the ven-relic you got already an advantage+you can be more useful than normal for your team, I don't see the need to abuse it in any way.
I often saw ppl suiciding with the relic on maps like woot in very close games e.g. 7:7. They won the game in a lame way, spoiling the fun for the other team and brought a great, long+hard-fought game to a sucky end.
Not funny imho...
Its much more fair+less fun-spoiling for the other team if you 'use' it without an intention(=suicide).
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[i4g]Rainbow
USER: RAINBOW
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 00:31 Post subject: Re: Nuclear Suicide - legal and good tactic
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| SleepyDude wrote: | | Rainbow wrote: |
How can you do the following things without suiciding ?
1. Emptying a mass-defended base (as boolean said)
2. Pushing the team FC away (funny and harder to do, so it requires some skills, except for some maps like lo-grav maps)
But standing there with vengence waiting to get killed is useing it very lamely . |
None said anything about standing arround.
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Just run into the a mass-defended base with the relic and be sure that you got hit soon. If you got some skill you can try to move into the bunch of enemys before it happens.
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Just defend your FC the normal way - (e.g. on DDay, running backwards behind him) and try to get rid of the following enemys. If you make well they get angry and want see you dead (if not you r exploding instantly anyway)....thats it.
If you got the ven-relic you got already an advantage+you can be more useful than normal for your team, I don't see the need to abuse it in any way.
I often saw ppl suiciding with the relic on maps like woot in very close games e.g. 7:7. They won the game in a lame way, spoiling the fun for the other team and brought a great, long+hard-fought game to a sucky end.
Not funny imho...
Its much more fair+less fun-spoiling for the other team if you 'use' it without an intention(=suicide). |
I said standing around with vengenge is very lame because it is - i didnt say anyone said anything about it , i was just making a point .
Is just run into the a mass-defended base with the relic and be sure that you got hit soon not lame ?
Its allmost the same as suiciding .
Things happen in a game somtimes that cant be helped , some people say they was done on intensionally when it was not . Take "asssrunning" for example , if you are a defender and respawn in mid of map you go back to base to defend , if a emy is running into base and you are behind him/her you shoot them from behind - not let them enter base , take flag then kill them .
So there has to be some leaniance as to if the "assruning" was done intensionaly or not.
I agree with what you say about suiciding with the relic in a close game and then win the game in a lame way , and its much more fair+less fun-spoiling for the other team if you 'use' it without an intention(=suicide).
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|3dV|-P/\NDoRR/\
USER: DESPERADO
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 01:48 Post subject: Re: Nuclear Suicide - legal and good tactic
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| Rainbow wrote: |
Is just run into the a mass-defended base with the relic and be sure that you got hit soon not lame ?
Its allmost the same as suiciding .
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don't think its lame. Since I'm a fulltime-attacker, I run into the base anyway trying to get the flag. If I got the relic and the base is mass-defended and I see no way to reach the flag I adobt the fight and try to move into the bunch of enemys and frag them, so that, if I get killed, I can take lots of them with me. Thats my comprehension of using the relic in a normal way.
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Things happen in a game somtimes that cant be helped , some people say they was done on intensionally when it was not . Take "asssrunning" for example , if you are a defender and respawn in mid of map you go back to base to defend , if a emy is running into base and you are behind him/her you shoot them from behind - not let them enter base , take flag then kill them .
So there has to be some leaniance as to if the "assruning" was done intensionaly or not.
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Sure, there are different points of view about <assrunning>, personally I don't care assrunners, cause im used to watch behind me while moving. For me, strange assrunners are ppl that follow you from your own base to the enemy base <yeah, they really exist>, trying to frag ya, even if their base is populated enough.
If I'm on enemy territory, I don't expect other things than that ppl following me to prevent me taking their flag.
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But if you press the suicide button to activate the power of the ven-relic, it has be done intentionally for sure, don't you think?
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I agree with what you say about suiciding with the relic in a close game.... |
Thx, tbh, I would always prefere to lose a though game instead of winning it by a lame teammate that suicides with a relic.
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Lord-Kaasrasp
USER: LORD-KAASRASP
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 10:13 Post subject: |
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The lameness that CAN be caused by one way of using the relic is acceptable, since the game gets so much nicer with the use of relics. In my vieuw the Speed relic is far more lame than the ven-relic. The vengeance relic is avoidable, and sometimes a usefull addition to your firepower when your up against 3 enemy's (1 with your flag) u frag 2 and the flagrunner kills u... I think u deserved the flag kill then 
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 Cruel
USER: CRUEL
Rampage
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| Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:25 Post subject: |
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i totally agree with sleepy's opinion.
don't think speed is more lame because if there's mass def (2 or 3 defs and the respawns) u have to get out of enemy base as fast as possible, u usually can't frag all.
in my opinion the relics are offensive weapons because it's lame to defend with vengeance because then i think the player only wants the efc kill.
to defend with speed is also lame but it's dumb too because if u get shot the fc can get out with speed.
btw: i don't have a suicide button, it's not the sense of the game to suicide but to frag and get fragged.
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