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 SytesTyun
USER: SYTESTYUN
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 Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 13:22 Post subject: Re: Server rules
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| DanomanUK wrote: |
Yes but i thought that i should explain other ways of camping. I don't see why you moan at me for answering more than your question, as it can help others. |
I wanted to know if I act being a camper in the enemy's base (without acting against other rules). ppl often do that and once I was yelled at being a hoffing camper cuz I was hiding away so I wouldn't even meet anyone. So, no camping at all. That's why I ask.
| DanomanUK wrote: | If someone has anything against what they said, by all means, post their opinions. We all want better gameplay, Not silly idiots who lame, camp ass  . |
Okay... let's do so. Why the heck did you call me camper when I was following you when you were the FC? All I did was not running for 1 second so I could aim better. What's camping about that? It's your fault if you turn your back to me. Or do you want to say that I have to stop shooting if you turn your back to me? (If it sounds harsh, it's because I don't know how else to write it)
| DanomanUK wrote: |
But make sure you do challenge them, not camp in your little tent  |
Does anyone really challenge them? I mean, if I'd walk up there backwards, you'd not be allowed to kill me. You haven't challenged me AND you assrunned me as far as you turned around to your own base and walked at least two steps backwards to get in position?
| DanomanUK wrote: |
If you think that someone has acused you of something and you dis-aggree, Tell them to watch the demo, and tell yourself to watch the demo. IF still arguments i'm sure a trustee can help to releive the arguments by themselves looking at it. |
Nice idea about that demo, too bad I can't watch them and no one is willing to help me out with it. (told so in another topic) And trustees? lol. They are as bad as everyone else. It was a trustee assrunning me and then insulting me on assrunning.
| DanomanUK wrote: |
How far above? |
Until that moment, where I was talking about laming; to repeat it: Laming is a point of view that is different from person to person so it's no argument in my opinion.
| SytesTyun wrote: | | 5th: That's the point of the revenge relic: If you die, you kill those around you. It's not my fault where I'm killed. |
| DanomanUK wrote: |
No its not, for example if i am in my base attacking the enemy who are in my base, and suddenly a Revenge or Speed relic spawns up in the area i am whilst attacking the enemy, I will pick that up. I know that doing that goes against the rules in using them, But you have to defend your base aswell. So if you are still challenging them then fine, GOod luck and kill the bastards, if you get shot then yes, the revenge relic will go off. Some people do not like others doing this, so the other option is to leave them and carry on to their base, or to leave the relics alone and carry on killing them. Yes one of them are better, Unless ofcorse, the EFC is in the base with you. |
Err... I don't get what you want to say. But what's the sense of the relic if not to be near to your enemies to kill as many as possible if you die? I mean, it doesn't really matter in which position I am for that. As defender, I've defended the base what IS nessessary. As attacker, I can give the FC a better chance to run, what is sense of attackers and FC supporter. As FC myself, I can try to prevent any enemy to return the flag in order to give my team mates the chances to get it.
| DanomanUK wrote: |
There we are again, you don't like me taking things a step further explaining it more :s Why? |
Because you are explaining things that are explained in the rules. But the rules for example don't say whether I may suicide to kill the EFC. They just forbid to suicide for the sake of points.
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 Mentor
USER: MENTOR
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 13:36 Post subject: |
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a few points:
- don't generalise saying things about trustees. We're doing our best. Publically blowing up things isn't necessary. If you have a problem with acting of trustees, please report that at #i4games.admins . No need to pull others in that discussion.
- Suiciding with vengeance relic to kill EFC is just another way of getting points (not only my opinion, but conclusion of a admin discussion on the admin board) and hence is not allowed.
- this discussion is not going anywhere anymore. It started fine, you both made your point. Both are fine to me. They even are pretty the same at the end of the discussion. So let's just all shake hands because we even forgot why we were discussiong things here imo.
- Edit: I had the same problem that I couldn't watch demos. Did you install the 451 patch? You need it to be able to view the server-recorded demos.
- about the other points: no further comment. All has already been said
Mentor
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 DanBennett
USER: DANOMANUK
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 13:50 Post subject: |
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SytesTyun, I said i do not want this topic to be turned into a flaming topic, so please, Drop it. If you have a problem with me PM me about it.
I'm not going to bother no more to carry on quoating and replying as i think i have explained it all. Just read and read till you understand it.
Yes i am explaining things that are explained in the rules, thats because you are asking about the rules, but i've said much much more than the rules page does.
| Quote: | | Do not suicide when you have the vengeance relic unless you want to boost or protect your team flag carrier. Suiciding with the vengeance relic to make points will not be tolerated. |
Please read it carefully again. As i think what i have said is correct and easy to understand. If not then i shall try to say it clearer, at this point i am un sure what is wrong.
Also remember, trustees do their best. If you have a complaint against another member then use your Profile Messaging system or come to irc quakenet and join the admin channel and someone will read your message and help and check it out.
don't forget to say the members name, and link to the game demo in which it took place. I'm sure that it will be looked at. It does not matter if it is a trustee or just a member. Both will be looked at i'm sure
Thanks.
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 [i4g]Z
USER: Z-ROX
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 14:04 Post subject: |
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First, I would like to say to your...
| Quote: | | 2nd: I know I get warned if I act against the rules... That's the reason why I made this topic: I often got warned for no reason. |
I've taken a look into your Players History, and have found no warning from a Admin or Trustee in there, so your statement is false.
Secondly, if you are near enough to the EFC to kill him/her with the relic by suiciding, why would you want to do it? I mean, fight it out, if you win, you can return the flag and your team can cap. If you loose, you get the kill anyways. It is totally lame and uncalled for to go into enemey base just to suicide for the kills withoput trying to use your playing skills to get your flag back. suiciding just to get the flag kill isnt trying to get your flag back, its just to get the EFC kill points, which is in this case "lame and unwanted" on the servers.
Thridish, Assrunning... Assing is following someone. If you are going into emeney base and an enemey is in front of you, also headed into thier base, thats not assing. But if you are headed into thier base and an enemey passes you and you decide to follow them to get the frag/kill, then thats assing and totally uncalled for (unless they have the flag). But I've said this before on other topics, don't turn your back on me, because I will shoot you if I think its nessacery to stop you from getting into my base to get your flag back. I wont chase you, wont even stop to aim at you, but I will take a shot or two at you ;P
Last but not least... 4th, If I find you in enemey base waiting for the flag to be returned, and our flag is taken by the enemey, I think I would warn you for laming and camping. First of all, you are neather helping your team to get the flag back as soon as possable. Second, you are waiting in hiding, hoping to make a quick flagkill if possable. Third, you are letting others do the work for your team (covering/deffing/flaghunting) while you sit somewhere and hope you can eather get the flagkill or a quick get if thier flag is returned. If... and I use that reather loosely, IF you are going to stay in enemey base to help get your flag back... do not respawn kill, and do not hide!
just my 2 cents...
Z
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SytesTyun
USER: SYTESTYUN
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 14:45 Post subject: |
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First... Mentor:
What's your problem? I never said trustees are assholes. I just said that they are like anyone else. They can be assholes. Or do you want to say it's different, no? Like said by Medic, you are only humans too. So you have great days and bad, like everyone else. So there's for me no point.
Thanks about clearing that with the efc killing...
And last: the discussion would lead if ppl read propably, I guess. Whatever... I'll try that about the patch.
MrB... you wanted names, so I did so. Nothing else.
Last: rox, I didn't meant such warns but warns in-game, that was a missunderstanding here.
And well, thanks about that last point of camping. That was an answer as I wished to get one. Clear and without opinions. (Sorry, but I'm coming from a sever where you may assrun, camp, spam in non-abnorm manner. ppl there are calling each other names all the time but it's great fun playing there. They say about camping "Who isn't able to pass a camper isn't worth getting the flag" what isn't too wrong. And assrunning is about needed as you can move very fast and often have just 10 to 13 seconds to get the enemy, in some even just 6.)
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 StillDreaming
USER: STILLDREAMING
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| Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 19:44 Post subject: |
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I think you are correct Roko...everybody has slightly different ideas about what constitutes a breach of the rules not only about suiciding but about camping, ass running, laming and so on.
Although the rules states that you cannot breach any of these, the rules themselves do not really definitively define exactly what is ass running, camping ... and so. (this is not a dig at admin rules...it just an opinion.)
I personally think a lot of players and i include myself in this, break these rules at some stage during the course of a game. The design of some maps makes it almost impossible not to.
With the recent move of the servers i have tried to play as many games as possible. As a result of this i been accussed of breaking just about every rule. Maybe they are right, personally i think i play reasonably fairly.
I don't make any comments about other players breaking the rules "in game" and have come to the conclusion to let the admins and Trustees apply the rules... i appreciate they can't play in all games or watch every demo.
If someone thinks a player is consistently breaking the rules they should PM them telling why..... i know that if i recieved one i would read it and providing it was constructive i would try to improve.
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