Personal opinion about i4games + List of bad maps

ChA1NsAw · Last edited by ChA1NsAw on Mon Mar 31, 2008 16:18; edited 2 times in total

I read the thread: "Why are teams always so messed up here" and this is what I think.

The maps

The rankings

CTF + TDM / Sniper / UT3 server

The relics

ChA1NsAw's idea

The end
I know i've said lot's of bad things while I only paid once for i4games, and normally I have the opinion: "Don't complain about something you don't pay for"
But the problem is, I do want to pay. But now I hardly see any reason to do so from my point of view. Unless everything changed ofcourse.
Thats because I wanted to post this and put some time in it.

Thank you for those who read my statement completely and feel free to comment. Those who didn't: go ahead and insult me.

Bad maps list

I downloaded and played every map in the Instagib server today and these were the ones that I really found unplayable and no fun at all. The reasons ?
-Too big
-No flow
-No fun
-Never gets played

here it is:

I'm still working on this map list because sometimes when I enter this server maps are gone and when I enter again they are back again. Kind of hard to filter them all.

56 maps in total that "should" be removed.
The rest of the maps that I didn't select are a little playable and some very playable but there are still many great maps missing. I'll try to post many of them too. But I got to work for school first.

Hopefully you will do something with these maps, I checked every map on the server and I was very tolerant. But these just aren't made to be played. Just nice work of art.

[i4g]Medic · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 23:36 Post subject:

Thanks for taking the time to post all this. Wink

About the maps, there are quite a few new ones I yet have to review for the servers. So they'll be new stuff soonish.
But the problem with CTF players is that they barely try new maps. After a couple of seconds most of them give up trying to learn a new map.
Furthermore, the mapvote should filter out maps that are too big or too small for the current number of players. This could use some adjustments though. Not all the maps have their ideal player count encoded.

And about the relics, then try the ZP iCTF+iTDM server. It uses the 100% speed, the oldschool insta beam and no relics. This is the prefect server for real oldschool players.
The relics and the 110% speed are the signature of the main iCTF server of i4Games and what contributed to its success. So I won't change that.

ChA1NsAw · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 08:16 Post subject:

[i4g]Vainkeygirl · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 08:48 Post subject:

ChA1NsAw · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 08:56 Post subject:

I know that it doesn't even take a minute but many people just don't want to close ut, then register and all of that just to play a fast game.

First they want to play, look if it's fun. And if they like it then they will eventually register for the other server. We need to atract people to i4games and I think that is a good way.

If we only have this one server to change in a non login iCTF server, with good maps (all those fast maps like woot or andaction and many other) and all the bad ones removed this place will be much more crowded I think.

btw: I'm currently checking all the maps on that ZP instagib server and writing down the bad ones in notepad. And i'm pretty tolerant.

DanBennett · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 09:18 Post subject:

Thing is what you say is bad might not be to others.
My biggest thing in i4g is the fact that everyone seems to think they know best. And yeh i'm talking about myself too i've done it occasionally.

Some people tho need to start thinking about everyone and not themselves.

Anyway, i'll say more along the lines of the aim of this topic when I get round to it Smile

JPMendes · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 09:52 Post subject:

ChA1NsAw · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:15 Post subject:

Stay on topic please, I don't want a new subject started in here. Feel free to post a new topic yourself.

SAFeSTeR · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 15:18 Post subject:

Personally I like the relics, but there is one more that could be used, I forget its name but when you are killed this relic respawns you somewhere in the map, the 'killer' does not get awarded a kill and you are not penalised with a death, you just carry on as you were but without the relic itself. I think your idea of just the losing team is a good one if it can be implemented.

About the maps. Its true what Medic says that CTF players don't want to learn different maps and I find it quite tedious on i4g server that the same old maps are always played over and over again, Woot, Caves for example and so many different versions zZzZzZz, Abreeze, Elite Arena (plain crap), the list goes on.

There are many decent or classic maps out there which are never played (shame Ranel does not work), like Revenge, Orbital, Terra and Glacier for example. Maybe it is my NW roots that make me say this as these maps are played alot on NW servers or in CB cups. It seems that insta players like the maps which are more open but this leads to boring gameplay, lots of spawn killing and DM'in.

I do agree that many maps could be removed, especially those excessively large or that are unplayed in a long long time, but saying that I would still like to see some maps added to the server, like 2ChickenPancakes][ (actually an SLV map I think), Bleak-CE100, Base9, CleftHills_Basic, Cynosure][LE105, Grizzled, Lurid, Osmosis and Vaultcity-LE101. Some great maps here, mainly used for NW but I'm sure many would be good for insta too especially the ones I made bold as they are quite open. Some of them are fairly large but on a full server they would play very nicely indeed.

[i4g]Vainkeygirl · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 15:23 Post subject:

<3 vaultcity

Am_A_Bitch · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 15:43 Post subject:

chainsaw,what a great read,u r thinking like me!:o)
there would be more team play,without relics

i asked medic to turn relics off for 1 week,just to see how things would turn out.

just think about this,a player has grabed the flag,bieng backed up by team members,they get all the way back to base were there is an opponant with the bomb relic,waiting for u,welll u kill him and u all die,were is the skill in that? and were is the fun,espescaily on big map like diamond sword

i have seen players who r carrying the speed relic,drop it for the bomb,even if the flags havent been taken,probubly thinking about points or better, fun!

look at woot!:o) that game is over so quik with speed
i think the boost relic should stay,there should be more than 1 boost on the map,plus,i think when carrying the boost relic,u cant kill opponants,only boost them into space!:o)

anyway i bet ill get some grief off vaikey saying don't keep repeating yourself,so here's a big kiss for u babe X!

i4g need to really look into taking relics off,and thats a FACT!

nierd_2 · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 16:13 Post subject:

same discussion different day rly :p

[i4g]Vainkeygirl · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 16:30 Post subject:

starting to think we should just totally remove the servers for a month or something Wink

than we don't have wrong maps and than we don't have relics Razz

problem solved.

ChA1NsAw · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 16:39 Post subject:

I think they should appoint new admins, because they really aren't online much. Can't blame them though, everyone has a real life I know.

As vainkey said the map CTF-Titania was reported not working many times and still it's on the server.
I also sent Medic 2 or 3 perfectly good maps, which were played frequently in mRc server, and I never got any answer.

I'm starting to think they aren't doing their "job" as they supposed to do it.

I know there is lot's of work in the site and programming BT for UT3 and stuff but I rather have a damn ugly site with a good ranking page and great server than how it is now.

delete_my_account · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 16:39 Post subject:

i don't know about the other servers other than BT...or much about their activity..but it's almost impossible to play a BT map longer than 2 minutes now without dying, as the server lags, red flags..or just general ping spikes ;[ i know it's not my place to suggest such things but...new host possible?;x this one is kinda bad..atleast for the 3 weeks i've seen Sad

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