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 Kiji`
USER: MEADEH
 Rampage |  Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 16:40 | |
| I find that very funny how some people attack new maps and mappers... in childish way (new word i just learned so i use it :p)
U don't like maps ? then don't play it...
BT bore u ? then stop play BT...
Many of the new maps, even bad made are much better than old or new "beautifull" maps which have nothing special.
All of u must have some respect vs mappers cause many of them spended many hours or days to learn and create a map. Maybe a bad one, yes i agree, but no real bad map are going out, only playing and no buggy one are.
If someone create a map and that u kick him with bad comments and no encouragements, how u want he try improve and have fun making a new one ? => Kill of BT !
(btw creating a map to attack them is so low...)
Everybody have his own mind and preference playing level 1 or 2, 5 or 6, 9 or 10...
For the one who like critic new maps, it's sure that u can continue, but do it in nice, respect and constructive way... and not as most of u are doing now and since long weeks...
(not a personnal feeling, many and many persons think that since loooong time now...)
Lorgic u talking about 10% must be removed... Why must they be ?
They are useless ? How can u judge if a map is useless ?
I'm sure some players came play and had fun on them by playing with a friend, rushing to rec or for example capping for the first time of his life...
If u have no fun, then just leave and stop play it :p. U want play an old map ? then try vote it...
BT die when no new maps are creating (watch the average player on servers...), so YES they are usefull.
And i'm sure if u name maps from ur 10%, many of them are still interesting in eyes of some players, and some from ur 90%, certainly suck as hell in eyes of others...
(i capped all maps and i've high skill, so i must claim to remove all maps under level 8 because they are too easy and useless for me now ? :p ).
So can u all stop to whine about something in raport with a personnal feeling and let live BT ?
So to all mappers, even novice one, continue to make and create maps, continue to improve and dare propose new maps (if they are bad, very useless and unplaybale, they'll not be accepted and trustee will give u the reasons in nice way  ).
Keep BT alive ! |
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 }ElitE{Bon
USER: BONKET
Dominating | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 16:37 | |
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yea,like (MMI)Swimming100m - check it out  P. |
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 [i4g]CouilleNoire
USER: COUILLENOIRE
 i4Games Admin | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 16:27 | |
| | It's quite funny to see when people are really stating their opinion but that this opinion is annoying, they are called childish and immature. |
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 RoelerCoaster
USER: MMI
 i4Games Trustee | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 16:21 | |
| | The 'MMI maps' I mean are not on the server (exept one, but that one is not that bad i think...). That are the maps that are (MMI) tagged, I'm not talking about the (Roel) tagged maps. |
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 ~)BD(~Lorgic
USER: LORGIC
Rampage | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 15:58 | |
| | Krool's Horror ofc. Kaplan.. Imo it's not like i wan't the top 10% of the maps to remain. it's more like i would want to have the baddest 10% removed. some of em are just useless. Whilst people put it like the other side of the argument in which people like me belong.. only want the best quality maps on it. and you guys keep naming factory and horror. or just only old skool maps. that is just not what it is about. there are enough maps made which never get played and are good enough in my opinion. Just there is this 10% of the maps that just is to monotonous to unthought just to many to's in it. The minimum standard for a map doesn't have to be high. but should it be this low. just some map are way worse than others. And i don't even think those MMI maps belonged to that one. I never said a map like behind the waterfall would be to low or anything. but but some maps just are and everyone can tell the difference between a good map.. a bad map and the worst 10% maps alive. |
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 KaPLaN
USER: KAPLAN
Killing spree | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 15:34 | |
| Quit the funny acting CN, I am dissapointed in you. I thought you were mature, but it seems I was wrong. Only you do is evade the questions and in my opinion making childish remarks.
@The Body, would you mind explaining which map this 'horror' is when summing up "factory/horror etc"? |
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Lamu
USER: LAMU
Dominating | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 15:05 | |
| Every maps are welcome in my opinion,
after that i played and capped a map i can say if i had fun or not, and if it isn't a map of my tastes.
But i think after much time is better cap new maps than play and overplay always same maps like factory,horror etc.
I could also be bored of all maps rating 1-2-3 cause too easy but isnt for this that i think "omg they kill bt..."
Every maps can be liked or not, it is subjective.
When i play a new map i dont watch how much able was the mapper on create a room,texture etc, but i watch how much fun i have to play it,i get it like an adventure ,a mini trip map,i like discover new rooms etc... the map can be ugly or not. |
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RoelerCoaster
USER: MMI
i4Games Trustee | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 14:50 | |
| | I'm still mapping and I'm not gonna stop. The period I'm talking about is before BT-GoGoGo! when my nick was MMI. I call it my "MMI Period" or my "MMI History". |
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[i4g]CouilleNoire
USER: COUILLENOIRE
i4Games Admin | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 13:25 | |
| You really have nothing to be ashamed of Roel.
BehindTheWaterFall was excellent and your Phobos modif too.
Keep on mapping please. Don't listen to useless fading echoes. |
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RoelerCoaster
USER: MMI
i4Games Trustee | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 13:14 | |
| | Same if mappers do not improve after (say) 3 maps, they should just go back to play lego? |
Well, I didn't start playing lego, but I stopped mapping and playing UT for 3/4 year, maybe longer and played Rollercoaster Tycoon... |
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[i4g]CouilleNoire
USER: COUILLENOIRE
i4Games Admin | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:49 | |
| I just give my opinion.
Sorry if you find it childish.
I don't feel personally attacked in ANY way.
On, the other hand, I will defend the game and the mappers with my own convictions.
I have been receiving them ever since start of BT so it is nothing new to me.
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Does that mean it's a way of life? |
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 aniani
USER: ANIANI
Rampage | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:46 | |
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I am sorry, but since when can you have an incorrect opinion?...
Everybody has different opinions and that's never going to change. |
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KaPLaN
USER: KAPLAN
Killing spree | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 08:41 | |
| | Where did you see me saying: "no map gets released without my aproval?" You are just hearing things you want to hear. Seriously, get to the point CN instead of making childish comments. You can say it directly into my face because I can handle any type of critism or personal attacks. I have been receiving them ever since start of BT so it is nothing new to me. |
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 }ElitE{Mike`
USER: DINOMITE
Godlike! | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:56 | |
| | i find it funny how this has been discussed countless times, yet these maps are still being made and most importantly being played regularly. Random maps keep bt alive, because they offer new interest always, and always have. Im not saying the more the merrier, but certainly if we were only to have maps which are considered to be good by certain people, then bt would die because the "old school" bt players would vote factory/horror like 50 times. For me neither are good maps anymore, not because they arent original, but because i have played them so many times i dont find them fun. I find more fun in exploring a new random map which may or may not have taken alot of effort, rather than playing a common map which i know how to cap without any challenge. To argue releasing poor maps is killing bt is a clean contradiction, as long as maps are being made bt will continue, its up to mappers and players to work together to achieve a standard of quality if you want one to be set, but the fact these maps are so commonly released and played suggests its not a large problem in the bt community. |
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 ]MeRc[Kraken
USER: KRAKEN
Godlike! | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:41 | |
| | *myself Sorry for Correction |
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]MeRc[Kraken
USER: KRAKEN
Godlike! | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:36 | |
| | I think ur maps aint brilliant m8 trust me so do alot of thers but keep my comments to urself. You keep asking me to make a map with and you wonder why i wont collaberate with you |
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 Surfacing
USER: AKJ05
Rampage | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:12 | |
| Cn is not correct..
No one is going to listen to you Kaplan... sorry
They all suck at mapping its horrid! |
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]MeRc[Kraken
USER: KRAKEN
Godlike! | | Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:02 | |
| | CN point is the right one we shudnt have to seek approval for releasing a map. Either its crap or not we shud have the chance to have it played with out flaming. Proberly medic was right but contrustive feed back is better than shouting from the roof tops crap map lame this etc. |
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[i4g]CouilleNoire
USER: COUILLENOIRE
i4Games Admin | | Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 at 23:14 | |
| So if I understood well, we cannot release anything without the approval of someone else very wise and knowledgeable like you because if we include things that are "crap" or that we do not spend more than a month on a map, it will kill BT.
Same if mappers do not improve after (say) 3 maps, they should just go back to play lego?
And what if I tell you it's someone like you that's killing BT? |
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KaPLaN
USER: KAPLAN
Killing spree | | Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 at 16:57 | |
| Well you can have critism from two kind of people, either players or builders who are players. People with no UTed knowledge give different kind of feedback then builder-players do. That is actually why I do not critise always a map on its looks. That is why I quoted Kraken as +1. If you look technically how much time goes inside a map, good or bad it is time and hopefully good effort. So I partly agree with your point of view Medic, about the critism part from players about the feel. Even though I am a builder, I try to critism people for their gameplay not the looks, it is not easy cause you always have the urge to pay more attention to detail instead of the gameflow/play.
@ Roel, I am not going bash nor laugh at you for not improving after five maps. Cause I am not a judge or a teacher, why you did not improve I don't know. Though let me correct the part which I said "atleast five maps". Cause that is not 100% true. I think even if you release only two maps you can improve alot, time mostly affects improvement aswell. As you get older, you see things different. |
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